Discussion
Join the conversation!Sign In
- Toni PriceHow can you feel good about the Felixer ? It’s in humane it kills cats slowly and with pain.This is so so cruel. Now if you scientists wanted to invent a birth control that could be but in dry cat food I would invest 500 thousand. The Felixer sounds like something Hitler would do . What a cruel device.Oct 09, 20240
- David DayBackerCongratulations on your funding. Of course, the other question remains, does removal of individual feral cats have a long-term benefit or does it remove a dominant cat and release territory for perhaps more young cats to move in.Jun 20, 20160
- Hugh McGregorResearcherThanks David. I do suspect you will be largely right, and that for every cat killed, others will quickly reclaim their territory. But my hope is that this method can a permanent control tool, so even when the new cats move in to reclaim that territory, they will eventually walk past the machine and get killed as well. This would hopefully put a sustained impact on the cat populations. Yet I don’t want to get my hopes too high yet! If this project shows that this method does not affect quolls, then this will certainly be our next avenue for research.Jun 22, 20160
- Cecilia CarreaBackerSo glad to see that the project is fully funded! Now the fun part!Jun 20, 20160
- Hugh McGregorResearcherThanks Cecilia. We cant wait to let to let you know how it goes.Jun 22, 20160
- Edward PritchardBackerCongratulations on this project. When I saw a news item some time ago describing this project I became quite excited. This space then went quiet for quite a while. Now back in the news with crowdfunding opportunities. Fantastic. Couldn't wait to donate. It seems animal recognition is at the heart of the project and the rest of it is just engineering. (don't mean to trivialize how clever and lateral thinking this is). Animal recognition is the key. Are you able to discuss what, how and why. This is a complicated and relatively new technology. If you need help you should reach out to this community.Jun 17, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherThanks so much Edward- nice to have such committed supporters! Yes it's true that animal recognition is the main thing we're focusing on- at this stage we're leaving the engineering to John Read (the trap developer) and his collaborators, but we will certainly reach out if we need additional help! Check out Hugh's lab note here on 'Background to the Felixer' for more details on how the trap recognises different species here: https://experiment.com/u/CPvzVQJun 19, 20160
- Phillip jenkinsBackerI hope your research is successfull in finding that this method works in Tasmania. GOOD LUCK !Jun 17, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherThanks so much Phillip :)Jun 19, 20160
- John BestevaarBackerIn certain cases trained sniffer dogs with shooters may be effective.Jun 16, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherVery true- Hugh actually used dogs as part of his previous cat research in the Kimberley. I think with feral cats there's never going to be one magic bullet, it's just about having as many control options as we can to fit all the different situations. Thanks again for your support of this project!Jun 16, 20160
- knox25@bigpond.comBackerI have in the past trapped ferral cats and detest the damage they do to our wild life. I noticed the (US$) which concerned me..........All the bestJun 16, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherThanks so much for the donation! We agree about the devastating impact of cats, hopefully this is one step in the right direction :). We have spoken to the site about the $US, they are trying to fix it for the future but are unlikely to get something done for our project. If you'd like to change the amount, just let us know and we can put you in touch with the site co-ordinators to sort it out. Thanks againJun 16, 20160
- Adrian PickinHi I am all for removing feral cats from the environment. I help when I can, however I do so in a humane manner, however before I consider a donation I have some grave concerns using poisons. How long does it take to effect, and what pain does the cat experience, as no animal should have suffer unnecessarily. Also how will the system distinguish between a stray/lost cat or a feral one - there is a big difference and the formal should certainly be trapped and returned to the owner, who pays a fine to help with cat removal.Jun 16, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherHi Adrian, those are definitely valid concerns and I'll do my best to answer them! Firstly, with regards to the poison used: this device is not in commercial development yet, and it's likely that the poison used and the dose rates will have to be tailored for different environments. To the best of our understanding, one of the most likely poisons that would be used is PAPP (para-aminopropiophenone). When a suitable dose is administered, it is fast acting (typically killing the animal in around 2 hours) and acts by reducing oxygen in the blood. This means the animals become sleepy and lethargic before dying. The poison also degrades fairly quickly in the environment and has a low risk of being passed up the food chain through animals scavenging on poisoned carcasses. You can find more information on this poison here: http://www.pestsmart.org.au/papp-for-wild-dog-and-fox-control/. I should stress we won't be using poison in these trials yet! And some further work would be required to work out the optimal dose required. Secondly, with regard to pet cats. This is definitely an issue if the trap is going to be used in urban areas (less so in wilderness or remote areas). I believe there is some work currently underway to try to incorporate a microchip scanner into the device which would disable the firing mechanism if it detects a microchip within the firing range for this exact reason. I'm not sure where that work is up to, however. I hope that helps to answer your questions, let me know if I can answer anything else!Jun 16, 20160
- Edward PritchardBackerMicrochip is the perfect answer. The problem with companion cats is how to educate their owners to be responsible owners. Microchipping is mandatory in many places. Publicity about the Felixer and it's purpose should encourage owners of companion cats to be responsible and get their cats chipped. Cats that are not chipped should be removed from the environment. The downside to this is a chipped abandoned cat that exists in a wild colony. But hey - solve one problem at a time.Jun 17, 20160
- Edward PritchardBackerGood questions. You got good answers. Poison is poison = the cat is dead. The point is can this device kill feral cats and not harm native animals. Your donation (if you choose to make one) will address this specific problem. Along the way issues of companion cats also become part of the conversation. Owners of companion cats have legislative rights. Free roaming and stray cats that live wild or even semi wild tolerating human interaction (feeding) are not companion cats. This device is not a trap. It will determine if the cat is a companion cat or not. If chipped it is or was a companion cat - if not then it is feral or abandoned and should be destroyed. What poison to use will be scrutinised by an ethics committee. This device will also come under scrutiny from animal welfare groups globally. In particular I anticipate global cat welfare groups will become quite active in opposing this device. These groups see the solution in TNR. There is no question about the damage done by cats in Australia. The only solution is instant destruction. Cats cannot live side by side with Australian native animals.Jun 19, 20160
- Peter 'Elwood' MantelBackerGreat proposal. Sing out if you need a hand developing the prototype. Cheers, Elwood.Jun 16, 20160
- Jenny FoleyBackerHope you reach your goal. Look forward to hearing the outcome of your research.Jun 16, 20160
- Rowena HamerResearcherThanks so much Jenny! We are pretty excited about this project and will keep you all informed on how it's running along.Jun 16, 20160
- Cindy WuBackerI had no idea that something like the Felixer cat trap existed! I would love to see a video of how it works in the wild.May 31, 20160